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what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is alive from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain why steve did that. everyone in the nicu, all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. i wouldn't trade him for the world. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders so they matter most to us. if you're caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care program offers strategies that can help. >>> coming up, mitt romney tried to play a moderate at the debate last week. this week, paul ryan's going to gi
what does that mean for paul ryan in his debate? just how bi can paul ryan go? >>> and big bird's most passionate defender will join us later which will give me a chance to have a mini "west wing" reunion. and a member of the science commit me who thinks science is alive from the pit of hell. and he thinks he's a scientist. also tonight steve mor continue -- martin decided to do his political commercial, one of those guys, steve martin or bob kerrey will join me to explain...
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where joe biden and paul ryan will meet. krystal ball is heading there after the show today and will be there live for us tomorrow. the face-off is stark differences of the two men on display. ryan fancies himself a numbers guy, of course. biden is beloved for feared for saying what he thinks and then the generation gap between the two. think of it this way. when biden was elected in 2002, r -- ryan wasn't -- >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime. experienced debater. this is, i think paul's first debate. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> so amusing. >> we always joke about saying the bar is load for your own side. that might be the lowest. my own thoughts heading in to this, i have been saying, you know, all week that i just basically expect biden to turn in the performance that obama did not turn in. >> sure. >> do not miss the openings that obama missed going after the missing details of romn
where joe biden and paul ryan will meet. krystal ball is heading there after the show today and will be there live for us tomorrow. the face-off is stark differences of the two men on display. ryan fancies himself a numbers guy, of course. biden is beloved for feared for saying what he thinks and then the generation gap between the two. think of it this way. when biden was elected in 2002, r -- ryan wasn't -- >> i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously, the vice...
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ryan likes it or not. second, mr. ryan's budget, which was proposed and supported by house republicans for the fiscal here 2013, would devastate vital services to millions of americans. chairman ryan proudly presented his budget knowing that he wanted to cut the earned income tax credit, slash $134 million from the supplemental nutrition program, and zero out support services for the elderly, disabled, and at-risk young people that would affect something like 23 million americans. in fact, mr. ryan's economic plan was deemed to be so callous that when he spoke at georgetown university, 90 members of the faculty sent him a letter saying that his budget was a complete bastardization of catholic social teaching. as father thomas reese said, i am afraid that chairman ryan's budget reflects the values of his favorite philosopher ayn rand rather than the gospel of jesus christ. mr. ryan says his opponents are liars who want to
ryan likes it or not. second, mr. ryan's budget, which was proposed and supported by house republicans for the fiscal here 2013, would devastate vital services to millions of americans. chairman ryan proudly presented his budget knowing that he wanted to cut the earned income tax credit, slash $134 million from the supplemental nutrition program, and zero out support services for the elderly, disabled, and at-risk young people that would affect something like 23 million americans. in fact, mr....
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ryan appears to lose his voice. however, vice president joe biden isn't afraid to tell a hard truth. >> obama and biden want to raise tacks by $8 trillion. guess what? yes, we do in one regard. we want to let that trillion dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy. >> karen finney is an msnbc political analyst and former dnc communications director and hogan giddily is the former communications director for the rick santorum campaign. welcome to both of you. kar karen, to quote jack nicholson in "a few good men" romney and ryan, they just can't handle the truth can they? >> they can't. the level of intellectual dishonesty, i use the wort intellectual half joking, they took the vice president's comments and truncated them without the most important part, which has been the most important part of what the president has been talking about, what democrats have been talking about, and that is the idea that those at the top should be doing their
ryan appears to lose his voice. however, vice president joe biden isn't afraid to tell a hard truth. >> obama and biden want to raise tacks by $8 trillion. guess what? yes, we do in one regard. we want to let that trillion dollar tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all that money going to the super wealthy. >> karen finney is an msnbc political analyst and former dnc communications director and hogan giddily is the former communications director for...
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. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already passed that tipping point. the good news is, survey after survey, poll after poll, still shows that we are a center right 70/30 country. 70% of americans want the american dream. they believe in the american idea. only 30% want the welfare state. >> which video is more sensat n sensational? more of a game-changing contest modifier. joining us from the site of tonight's debate in denver is the man who knows from game change, emmy darling, "time" magazine and msnbc senior political analyst whose publication is out with an issue today, who's telling the truth, the fact wars. mark halperin, i've been trying to find
. >> as long as we're talking about troublesome videos this clip of congressman paul ryan weighing in on the makers and the takers rose to the surface last night as well. >> before too long we could become a society we were never ever intended to be. we could become a society where the net majority of americans are takers not makers. 70% of americans get more benefits from the federal government in dollar value than they pay back in taxes. so you could argue that we're already...
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in some ways i think with joe biden and paul ryan it's going to be an even more damaging conversation if ryan has to obviscate and come up with specifics because he's the numbers guy. >> he's going to be prepared. we'll be prepared. >> he doesn't have enough time it to answer the question, but going back to the theme of the day, what matters, the economy always matters. ever since the cold war it's been about the economy with the possible exception of '04, right? we're in the war of terrorism. >> even in '04 the exit polls showed that even though it was a foreign policy election, it was still about the economy. >> it's always about the economy. foreign policy is at best second or third most important. once again this foreign policy forray into mitt romney it may be a couple days lost. he's not talking about the economy on an area where i think it's impossible to catch up to barack obama. >> i do take the point that he needs to give a speech like this. it's necessary if you're running for president. it's not necessarily sufficient to win the presidency, but it's necessary that you do i
in some ways i think with joe biden and paul ryan it's going to be an even more damaging conversation if ryan has to obviscate and come up with specifics because he's the numbers guy. >> he's going to be prepared. we'll be prepared. >> he doesn't have enough time it to answer the question, but going back to the theme of the day, what matters, the economy always matters. ever since the cold war it's been about the economy with the possible exception of '04, right? we're in the war of...
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there is obviously an important debate next week between our vice president and paul ryan. we have another debate in 11 days. we look forward to continuing to make the case. >> you used the words i think dishonest or not making an honest argument. you just did it again. do you believe that mitt romney is intentionally lying about his record or lying about his plans? >> well, i think i -- he is. you know, chuck, this is the cornerstone of his entire campaign and his economic plan. it really was a remarkable thing. it would be like in 2008 if we got on the stage and said i don't want to end the iraq war and i'm not for health care reform. you know, i don't want to have a green energy future. it is an amazing thing. and the reason he is trying to obfuscate here is because that tax cut plan is something the american people don't want to support. a huge tax cut for the wealthy paid for by the middle class or blowing a hole in our deficit. the wrong recipe for both david, he says his plan is not a tax cut plan. and that, you know, he is going to find a way to offset them. do you
there is obviously an important debate next week between our vice president and paul ryan. we have another debate in 11 days. we look forward to continuing to make the case. >> you used the words i think dishonest or not making an honest argument. you just did it again. do you believe that mitt romney is intentionally lying about his record or lying about his plans? >> well, i think i -- he is. you know, chuck, this is the cornerstone of his entire campaign and his economic plan. it...
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whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing jobs. ronnellny wants to bring back the outsourcing loophole. in fact his largest donor gets a $2.3 billion tax cut under the romney plan. part of that is that he makes 90% of his money overseas, when you think about the auto recovery, romney and obama were in two different positions. when you look at outsourcing, they're in different positions. in manufacturing. for a lot of parts of virginia that don't get quite as much attention. central and southern virginia, the fact that the president has stood up for american manufacturing has been significant. i think you'll see the gender gap. i think you'll see middle class feeling like romney just wants to rig the system a little too much for the high end. >> tom perriello, former democratic congressman, thank you. we want to note that we did invite a surrogate from mitt romney's campaign to join us later. but no one was available on
whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing jobs. ronnellny wants to bring back the outsourcing loophole. in fact his largest donor gets a $2.3 billion tax cut under the romney plan. part of that is that he makes 90% of his money overseas, when you think about the auto recovery, romney and obama were in two different positions. when you look at outsourcing, they're in different...
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the much anticipated vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan this thursday. cnn has full coverage starting 7:00 eastern time. >>> the u.s. supreme court will hear a big case this week. affirmative action is on the docket and the decision could impact public schools and colleges across the country. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. why they have a raise your rate cd. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your
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mike, the president is now, i believe, in paul ryan's backyard, madison, wisconsin. there's an image there live. he's scheduled to speak i think within the hour. he's got two weeks until the next debate. do we expect him, do you think, to take the gloves off between now and then? >> reporter: it's a great question, martin, and i think it's conventional wisdom without the day has increasingly con he jeled around this idea that mitt romney was victorious regardless of the methods. you have seen a lot of obama aides and surrogates up the rhetoric in their comments to reporters and elsewhere. we heard david axelrod calling mitt romney and his performance as a serial evader and an artful dodger by way of explaining why president obama didn't go after him more aggressively. we heard david plouffe just a few minutes ago from aboard air force one piped in here to the press room calling mitt romney dishonest, saying he lied about his tax policy. >> but, mike, the president himself earlier today said, didn't he, that he was debating a man who appeared to have multiple position
mike, the president is now, i believe, in paul ryan's backyard, madison, wisconsin. there's an image there live. he's scheduled to speak i think within the hour. he's got two weeks until the next debate. do we expect him, do you think, to take the gloves off between now and then? >> reporter: it's a great question, martin, and i think it's conventional wisdom without the day has increasingly con he jeled around this idea that mitt romney was victorious regardless of the methods. you have...
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important, maybe more important than past vice presidential debates have been in the sense that if ryan does well, i think it's really going to substantially help that momentum that romney has established last week and will be very important, and so the stakes are very high on this one. >> you know what? that's another great point. after the 2004 debate when it looked like george bush hadn't had a very good evening, dick cheney actually stopped the momentum that the kerry campaign had in the vice presidential debate. and mark will remember that better than anybody. it's joe biden's job here to go in there and basically change the story line and win that debate, and i think joe biden actually is a much better debater than most people understand. >> well, we'll see. great one to watch. by the way, god gave us all different weapons. like that old movie "spartacus." one guy had the net, the other had the knife. give him a little knife, a long net, give him the other thing. thank you, mark mckinnon, steve, too. tonight it's 10:00 eastern watch a special friday night campaign edition of "the
important, maybe more important than past vice presidential debates have been in the sense that if ryan does well, i think it's really going to substantially help that momentum that romney has established last week and will be very important, and so the stakes are very high on this one. >> you know what? that's another great point. after the 2004 debate when it looked like george bush hadn't had a very good evening, dick cheney actually stopped the momentum that the kerry campaign had in...
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paul ryan enjoys doing that. i think you'll see these guys in a nice traditional debate, and i'm getting my popcorn ready. it should be good. >> all right. dana millbank of the "washington post" thanks so much. don't miss the next political face-off, the duel in danville, kentucky, joe biden and paul ryan go at it thursday evening. our coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. >>> preaching politics from the pulpit, p if it happens churche risk losing tax-exempt status. many religious leaders across the country challenge the law anyway. find out why. he delicious sugar-free vitafusion fiber well gummies have more fiber than other leading brands. they're the better way to enjoy your fiber. . >>> they're calling for the defate of president obama and so-called unbiblical candidates. organizers hoped as many as 1500 pastors across the country would take part today. dan gilgoff joins us from washington to tell us more about what's happening here. dan, who is behind this, and what causes a candidate to be defined as "
paul ryan enjoys doing that. i think you'll see these guys in a nice traditional debate, and i'm getting my popcorn ready. it should be good. >> all right. dana millbank of the "washington post" thanks so much. don't miss the next political face-off, the duel in danville, kentucky, joe biden and paul ryan go at it thursday evening. our coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. eastern time. >>> preaching politics from the pulpit, p if it happens churche risk losing tax-exempt...
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the idea, originally presented congressman ryan, your running mate. we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is, that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year. now, in fairness, what governor romney has now said is, he will maintain traditional medicare alongside it. but there's still a problem. because what happens is, those insurance companies are pretty clever at figuring out who are the younger and healthier seniors, they recruit them, leaving the older, sicker seniors in medicare. and every health care economist who looks at it says what will happen is, the traditional medicare system will collapse. and then what you've got is folks like my grandmother, at the mercy of the private insurance system, precisely at the time when they are most in need of decent health care. so i don't think vouchers are the right way to go, and this is not my -- not o
the idea, originally presented congressman ryan, your running mate. we would give a voucher to seniors and they could go out in the private marketplace and buy their own health insurance. the problem is, that because the voucher wouldn't necessarily keep up with health care inflation, it was estimated that this would cost the average senior about $6,000 a year. now, in fairness, what governor romney has now said is, he will maintain traditional medicare alongside it. but there's still a...
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joe biden and paul ryan. let me make a prediction. i think joe biden will verbally destroy paul ryan, and i think he will the salvation of barack obama. >> you want to bet? >> i tend to agree with you, piers. senator biden is someone who is a fire brand for sure. and one of the things that came out of this debate, we can all agree president obama did not bring his "a" game and romney had a good night it will take a lot more to undo what has taken two years to burn in voters' brains. >> biden is the champion of the middle class, and that's what we want to hear. >> look, i'm going to put myself out there i won't promise 12 million jobs. >> don't bet $10,000 either. >> well, i never do that, i'm not a bedditting lady, but i wi bet a cocktail or two. >> the reason i think you're wrong -- i've watched the convention speeches and i thought joe biden, with the possibility of bill clinton, made the best speech. >> absolutely. he will bring it. >> and i think joe biden will destroy paul ryan. >> absolutely not. absolutely not. >> i think you'r
joe biden and paul ryan. let me make a prediction. i think joe biden will verbally destroy paul ryan, and i think he will the salvation of barack obama. >> you want to bet? >> i tend to agree with you, piers. senator biden is someone who is a fire brand for sure. and one of the things that came out of this debate, we can all agree president obama did not bring his "a" game and romney had a good night it will take a lot more to undo what has taken two years to burn in...
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ryan's campaign says only 30% want the welfare state, just as it is every day on the campaign trail, and the size trail, and so let's talk about this, whether these videos amount to anything. and political analyst roland martin, and red state.com and professor boise watkins of syracuse university. eric, on the obama tape, to you, what is the significance of it? >> the circumstances of it is the media. it was the media that portrayed barack obama as a post racial president. the media has portrayed barack obama above the political rhetoric that both -- here is barack obama telling a black crowd basically they aren't part of the american community. he said florida was with hurricane andrew, and with hurricane katrina it wasn't. the facts simply weren't true, hurricane katrina got $110 billion to the gulf coast. well more than was spent in new york, with the stafford exemption. additional grant for the federal government. had a white politician done this to a white crowd crowd, saying a black president was denying funds to a white section of the country as not part of the community, the
ryan's campaign says only 30% want the welfare state, just as it is every day on the campaign trail, and the size trail, and so let's talk about this, whether these videos amount to anything. and political analyst roland martin, and red state.com and professor boise watkins of syracuse university. eric, on the obama tape, to you, what is the significance of it? >> the circumstances of it is the media. it was the media that portrayed barack obama as a post racial president. the media has...
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i would remind you he didn't do that well against sarah palin, and so -- but also, paul ryan is a real policy wonk. he knows all the details. so if i were advising paul ryan, and i am not -- i mean, they just haven't asked for it -- i would say be careful that you don't come across as somebody who gets down into the weeds about omb numbers and cbo and sequestrati sequestration, a lot of these things that the average americans really aren't familiar with. he wants to be clear. the vice president is a very attractive guy, and if i were him, i would be playing on that as well. >>> we have the situation of the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> what is not vague, and that is five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador of the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration because of a hateful video. that's prob
i would remind you he didn't do that well against sarah palin, and so -- but also, paul ryan is a real policy wonk. he knows all the details. so if i were advising paul ryan, and i am not -- i mean, they just haven't asked for it -- i would say be careful that you don't come across as somebody who gets down into the weeds about omb numbers and cbo and sequestrati sequestration, a lot of these things that the average americans really aren't familiar with. he wants to be clear. the vice president...
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but the question is this, which paul ryan will show up? the new paul ryan since he got the nomination, much more reserved? or the older paul ryan when he was the house budget committee chairman, very tough, very feisty. >> i think paul ryan is going to show up one that's briefed, prepared, ready to go on this momentum. i agree joe biden is a good debater, but he's also rusty. the last debate he had was against sarah palin. i think debating paul ryan and sarah palin are two completely different animals. and we haven't seen him do a lot of debating. so, you know, let's hope that he doesn't show up as rusty. if not, it will really build on republican momentum. and i think it will change the tone of this race. two debates where the republicans can really change it. >> a lot of the president's supporters didn't think he spent enough time preparing for this debate. romney spent a lot more time preparing than the president did. how much time between now and next thursday should the vice president spend? get rid of his campaigning and start practi
but the question is this, which paul ryan will show up? the new paul ryan since he got the nomination, much more reserved? or the older paul ryan when he was the house budget committee chairman, very tough, very feisty. >> i think paul ryan is going to show up one that's briefed, prepared, ready to go on this momentum. i agree joe biden is a good debater, but he's also rusty. the last debate he had was against sarah palin. i think debating paul ryan and sarah palin are two completely...